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The Notebooks of Joseph Joubert, Volumes I–II
Joseph Joubert · Diotimos Editions · 2026
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dialectique; dialecticien
Dialectic concerns argumentative procedure, but its value changes with its relation to sight, persuasion, poetry and intellectual exercise.
Orientation
At a Glance
- The wordDialectic concerns argumentative procedure, but its value changes with its relation to sight, persuasion, poetry and intellectual exercise.
- In JoubertIn an explicitly approximate report of Aristotle, the dialectician is satisfied with proof while the philosopher seeks inspection and self-evidence.
- In this editionThe English translation retains dialectic and dialectician.
- A place to beginAn approximate Aristotle report distinguishes proof from inspection.
- English renderings
- dialectic; dialectician
Meaning
Dialectic concerns argumentative procedure, but its value changes with its relation to sight, persuasion, poetry and intellectual exercise.
Use in the book
In an explicitly approximate report of Aristotle, the dialectician is satisfied with proof while the philosopher seeks inspection and self-evidence. The preference for seeing over dialectical groping repeats this distinction. Argumentation also serves the wars conducted against others and is separated from reason itself and the orator’s persuasive instinct. Yet the image of Plato’s wings allows poetry to animate dialectic’s languors, a quality absent from mere imitators. The exercise passage offers a further use: dialectic, like versification and rhetoric, can provide deliberately imposed obstacles through which a mind strengthens itself. Its discipline may therefore be useful without becoming the highest form of apprehension.
Places to read
- I, p. 180, entry 4, ¶1An approximate Aristotle report distinguishes proof from inspection.
- II, p. 580, entry 11, ¶1Argumentation serves dialectical conflict rather than reason alone.
- II, p. 815, entry 4, ¶1Seeing is preferred to dialectical groping.
- II, p. 846, entry 13, ¶1Poetry gives Plato’s dialectic wings that imitators lack.
- II, p. 894, entry 7, ¶1Self-imposed dialectical obstacles train the mind.
Translation in this edition
The English translation retains dialectic and dialectician. “Approximately” belongs to Joubert’s citation and prevents its use as an exact Aristotle quotation. The Plato pronoun can grammatically return to spirit as well as Plato. The account of Greek practices remains Joubert’s historical argument; the abbreviated Ginguen. reference is not expanded.
Source note
Beaunier 1938, I, pp. 180; II, pp. 580, 815, 846, 894.
From the book
Empedocles’ The Testimonia, Volume II
Empedocles of Acragas · Diotimos Editions · 2026
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διαλεκτικήν (dialektikēn); διαλεκτικῆς (dialektikēs)
Dialektikē names the argumentative art paired with rhetoric in these testimonia.
Orientation
At a Glance
- The wordDialektikē names the argumentative art paired with rhetoric in these testimonia.
- In this workAristotle’s Sophist, as quoted through Diogenes, assigns the invention of dialectic to Zeno and that of rhetoric to Empedocles.
- In this editionThe excerpt’s Greek gives the name of the art but not a technical definition.
- A place to readPairs Zeno’s dialectic with Empedocles’ rhetoric.
Meaning
Dialektikē names the argumentative art paired with rhetoric in these testimonia. The passages report its origin; they do not offer a definition of its methods or attribute a dialectical handbook to Empedocles.
Use in the book
Aristotle’s Sophist, as quoted through Diogenes, assigns the invention of dialectic to Zeno and that of rhetoric to Empedocles. The symmetry sets two arts within a shared intellectual generation without making them identical. The Suda’s Zeno entry repeats the pairing beside an exposition of Empedocles. A scholium on Iamblichus instead makes both arts originate with Pythagoras, then derives the rhetoricians through Empedocles. This is a useful example of how an origin story is adjusted to a school’s preferred ancestry. The claim about dialectic should therefore be used to illuminate Empedocles’ rhetorical reputation and his placement beside Zeno, not to credit Empedocles with an otherwise unattested invention of dialectic. The difference between inventor, transmitter, and ultimate ancestor remains important even within these short reports.
Places to read
- A 1 §§ 56–58 (testimony)2Diogenes Laertius VIII 57, reporting Aristotle, Sophist. Pairs Zeno’s dialectic with Empedocles’ rhetoric.
- A 5 (testimony)The Suda, under “Zeno”. Repeats the paired origin claim.
- A 19 (testimony)Scholiast on Iamblichus, Life of Pythagoras. Reassigns ultimate priority to Pythagoras.
Translation in this edition
The excerpt’s Greek gives the name of the art but not a technical definition. Importing a later Aristotelian textbook definition would overstate the local evidence.