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Theages · 122c–123a
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p. 6βουλεύων καὶ σὺ ὁ συμβουλευόμενος, μηδὲν τῶν αὐτῶν ἡγούμενοι.
ΔΗ. Ἀλλά μοι δοκεῖς ὀρθῶς λέγειν, ὦ Σώκρατες, καὶ ποιεῖν χρὴ οὕτω.
ΣΩ. Καὶ λέγω γε ὀρθῶς, οὐ μέντοι παντάπασί γε· σμικρὸν γάρ τι μετατίθεμαι. ἐννοῶ γὰρ μὴ καὶ ὁ μειρακίσκος οὗτος οὐ τούτου ἐπιθυμεῖ οὗ ἡμεῖς αὐτὸν οἰόμεθα 122d ἐπιθυμεῖν ἀλλ’ ἑτέρου, εἶτ’ αὖ ἡμεῖς ἔτι ἀτοπώτεροι ὦμεν περὶ ἄλλου του βουλευόμενοι. ὀρθότατον οὖν μοι δοκεῖ εἶναι ἀπ’ αὐτοῦ τούτου ἄρχεσθαι, διαπυνθανομένους ὅτι καὶ ἔστιν οὗ ἐπιθυμεῖ.
ΔΗ. Κινδυνεύει γοῦν οὕτω βέλτιστον εἶναι ὡς σὺ λέγεις.
ΣΩ. Εἰπὲ δή μοι, τί καλὸν ὄνομα τῷ νεανίσκῳ; τί αὐτὸν προσαγορεύωμεν;
ΔΗ. Θεάγης ὄνομα τούτῳ, ὦ Σώκρατες.
ΣΩ. Καλόν γε, ὦ Δημόδοκε, τῷ ὑεῖ τὸ ὄνομα ἔθου καὶ 122e ἱεροπρεπές. εἰπὲ δὴ ἡμῖν, ὦ Θέαγες, ἐπιθυμεῖν φῂς σοφὸς γενέσθαι, καὶ ἀξιοῖς σου τὸν πατέρα τόνδε ἐξευρεῖν ἀνδρός τινος συνουσίαν τοιούτου ὅστις σε σοφὸν ποιήσει;
ΘΕ. Ναί.
ΣΩ. Σοφοὺς δὲ καλεῖς πότερον τοὺς ἐπιστήμονας, περὶ ὅτου ἂν ἐπιστήμονες ὦσιν, ἢ τοὺς μή;
ΘΕ. Τοὺς ἐπιστήμονας ἔγωγε.
ΣΩ. Τί οὖν; οὐκ ἐδιδάξατό σε ὁ πατὴρ καὶ ἐπαίδευσεν ἅπερ ἐνθάδε οἱ ἄλλοι πεπαίδευνται, οἱ τῶν καλῶν κἀγαθῶν πατέρων ὑεῖς, οἷον γράμματά τε καὶ κιθαρίζειν καὶ παλαίειν καὶ τὴν ἄλλην ἀγωνίαν;
ΘΕ. Ἐμέ γε.
123aΣΩ. Ἔτι οὖν οἴει τινὸς ἐπιστήμης ἐλλείπειν, ἧς προσήκει ὑπὲρ σοῦ τὸν πατέρα ἐπιμεληθῆναι;
Theages
p. 7and you, the one taking advice, since we think nothing the same.
Dem. Why, you seem to me to speak rightly, Socrates, and that is how we should act.
Soc. And I do speak rightly, though not altogether: for I am changing it a little. For I take into account that perhaps this lad here does not desire what we think he 122d desires, but something else, and then again we would be still more absurd, deliberating about some other thing. So the rightest course, I think, is to begin from this very point, finding out thoroughly what it is that he desires.
Dem. It looks, at any rate, as though that is best, as you say.
Soc. Tell me, then: what is the young man’s fine name? What are we to call him?
Dem. Theages is his name, Socrates.
Soc. A fine name, Demodocus, you have given your son, and one 122e befitting the sacred.1 Tell us, then, Theages: do you say that you desire to become wise, and do you think fit that your father here should find you some man to be with, such a man as will make you wise?
Theag. Yes.
Soc. And whom do you call wise: those who have knowledge, about whatever they have knowledge of, or those who have not?
Theag. Those who have knowledge, I do.
Soc. Well then? Did your father not have you taught and educated in what the others here have been educated in, the sons of fine and good fathers: letters, for instance, and playing the cithara, and wrestling, and the other contests?2
Theag. Yes, me he did.
Soc. 123a Do you think, then, that you still lack some knowledge which it is your father’s part to care for on your behalf?
Socrates
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Demodocus asks Socrates how his son Theages can become wise. Their conversation turns from political ambition and the sophists to Socrates’ divine sign and the uncertain benefits of keeping his company. This complete edition presents the dialogue, 121a–131a, across seventeen Greek–English page pairs, with an introduction, Key Words of the Dialogue, an outline, glossary, critical apparatus, and thirty-nine translator’s notes. The dialogue is transmitted among Plato’s works; its authorship remains disputed.
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