DiotimosReading Desk

Diotimos Library · Plato Collection · Bilingual Edition

Plato

Symposium

Ancient Greek with an independent English translation.

Explore the Lexicon
SymposiumSymposium · 198d–199c

Swipe or use the arrow keys.

Ancient Greek Page · Branch 40 of 88

Symposium · 198d–199c

Ancient Greek

p. 74

ὡς ἔοικεν, οὐ τοῦτο ἦν τὸ καλῶς ἐπαινεῖν ὁτιοῦν, ἀλλὰ τὸ ὡς 198e μέγιστα ἀνατιθέναι τῷ πράγματι καὶ ὡς κάλλιστα, ἐάν τε ᾖ οὕτως ἔχοντα ἐάν τε μή· εἰ δὲ ψευδῆ, οὐδὲν ἄρ’ ἦν πρᾶγμα. προυρρήθη γάρ, ὡς ἔοικεν, ὅπως ἕκαστος ἡμῶν τὸν Ἔρωτα ἐγκωμιάζειν δόξει, οὐχ ὅπως ἐγκωμιάσεται. διὰ ταῦτα δὴ οἶμαι πάντα λόγον κινοῦντες ἀνατίθετε τῷ Ἔρωτι, καί φατε αὐτὸν τοιοῦτόν τε εἶναι καὶ τοσούτων αἴτιον, ὅπως ἂν 199a φαίνηται ὡς κάλλιστος καὶ ἄριστος, δῆλον ὅτι τοῖς μὴ γιγνώσκουσιν—οὐ γὰρ δήπου τοῖς γε εἰδόσιν—καὶ καλῶς γ’ ἔχει καὶ σεμνῶς ὁ ἔπαινος. ἀλλὰ γὰρ ἐγὼ οὐκ ᾔδη ἄρα τὸν τρόπον τοῦ ἐπαίνου, οὐ δ’ εἰδὼς ὑμῖν ὡμολόγησα καὶ αὐτὸς ἐν τῷ μέρει ἐπαινέσεσθαι. ἡ γλῶσσα οὖν ὑπέσχετο, ἡ δὲ φρὴν οὔ· χαιρέτω δή. οὐ γὰρ ἔτι ἐγκωμιάζω τοῦτον τὸν τρόπον—οὐ γὰρ ἂν δυναίμην—οὐ μέντοι ἀλλὰ τά γε ἀληθῆ, 199b εἰ βούλεσθε, ἐθέλω εἰπεῖν κατ’ ἐμαυτόν, οὐ πρὸς τοὺς ὑμετέρους λόγους, ἵνα μὴ γέλωτα ὄφλω. ὅρα οὖν, ὦ Φαῖδρε, εἴ τι καὶ τοιούτου λόγου δέῃ, περὶ Ἔρωτος τἀληθῆ λεγόμενα ἀκούειν, ὀνομάσει δὲ καὶ θέσει ῥημάτων τοιαύτῃ ὁποία δἄν τις τύχῃ ἐπελθοῦσα.

Τὸν οὖν Φαῖδρον ἔφη καὶ τοὺς ἄλλους κελεύειν λέγειν, ὅπῃ αὐτὸς οἴοιτο δεῖν εἰπεῖν, ταύτῃ.

Ἔτι τοίνυν, φάναι, ὦ Φαῖδρε, πάρες μοι Ἀγάθωνα σμίκρ’ ἄττα ἐρέσθαι, ἵνα ἀνομολογησάμενος παρ’ αὐτοῦ οὕτως ἤδη λέγω.

199cἈλλὰ παρίημι, φάναι τὸν Φαῖδρον, ἀλλ’ ἐρώτα. μετὰ ταῦτα δὴ τὸν Σωκράτη ἔφη ἐνθένδε ποθὲν ἄρξασθαι.

Καὶ μήν, ὦ φίλε Ἀγάθων, καλῶς μοι ἔδοξας καθηγήσασθαι τοῦ λόγου, λέγων ὅτι πρῶτον μὲν δέοι αὐτὸν ἐπιδεῖξαι ὁποῖός τίς ἐστιν ὁ Ἔρως, ὕστερον δὲ τὰ ἔργα αὐτοῦ. ταύτην

74

Symposium

p. 75

it seems, this was not what it is to praise anything well, but rather 198e to attribute to the thing the greatest and most beautiful things possible, whether they are so or not; and if they were false, that was after all no matter. For what was proposed beforehand, it seems, was that each of us should seem to make an encomium of Love, not that he should make an encomium of him. It is for this reason, I think, that you set every account in motion and attribute it to Love, and say that he is of such a kind and the cause of so many things, so that he may 199a appear most beautiful and best — plainly to those who do not know, for surely not to those who know — and the praise does stand well, and solemnly. But in fact I did not, after all, know the way of the praise, and not knowing it I agreed with you that I too would praise in my turn. So ‘the tongue promised, but the mind did not’; farewell to it, then.1 For I no longer make an encomium in this way — for I would not be able to — but all the same, the truth at any rate, 199b if you want, I am willing to tell in my own way, not in competition with your speeches, so that I may not incur laughter. See, then, Phaedrus, whether you are in any need of such a speech as well, to hear the truth spoken about Love, but in such wording and placing of expressions as may chance to come along.”

So Phaedrus and the others, he said, told him to speak in whatever way he himself thought he must speak.

“Then further, Phaedrus,” he said, “allow me to ask Agathon a few small things, so that, having come to agreement with him, I may then speak on that footing.”

199c“Well, I allow it,” Phaedrus said; “go on, ask.” After this, then, he said, Socrates began from about this point.

“Indeed, my friend Agathon, you seemed to me to lead off your speech well, saying that one must first display him, of what kind Love is, and afterwards his works. This

75

About This Reading Edition

The complete Symposium, 172a–223d: at Agathon’s banquet the guests praise Love, Socrates recounts Diotima’s teaching, and Alcibiades praises Socrates. Burnet’s Greek faces a new Diotimos Editions English translation, with an introduction, key words, outline, glossary, critical apparatus, and linked translator notes.

Historical Text and Translation

Greek: Plato, Symposium, in John Burnet, Platonis Opera, volume II (Oxford, 1901; second edition, 1910), in a later impression printed by John Johnson and issued by Humphrey Milford no earlier than January 1935, as described by the supplied edition. Its Greek was taken from the Perseus Digital Library transcription and checked against photographs of that impression; Burnet’s readings and critical apparatus are retained. The digital Greek transcription and its modifications are attributed to the Perseus Digital Library, Tufts University, under CC BY-SA 4.0. English translation and editorial matter: Diotimos Editions, 2026.

About Diotimos Editions

This historical edition credits Diotimos Editions as its English translator.

Rights

The ancient Greek work and Burnet’s printed edition are in the public domain. The Perseus digital Greek transcription and its modifications are reused under CC BY-SA 4.0, as verified from the official Perseus repository license. The supplied edition reports checking its transcription against Burnet’s printed pages. The new English translation and editorial matter are credited to Diotimos Editions, 2026; no open license for those new contributions is stated in the supplied files.