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Stobaeus, Volume II
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Book II Chapter 31 · II.31.129.5
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p. 986Πλάτωνος — συνέχεια
Δοκεῖ τοίνυν μοι κατὰ τοῦτο ἔτι πῃ σχίζεσθαι. — Κατὰ τί; — Τῆς ἐν τοῖς λόγοις διδασκαλικῆς ἡ μὲν τραχυτέρα τις ἔοικεν ὁδὸς εἶναι, τὸ δὲ ἕτερον μόριον αὐτῆς λειότερον. — Τὸ ποῖον δὴ τούτων ἑκάτερον λέγομεν; — ⟨Τὸ μὲν⟩ ἀρχαιοπρεπές τι πάτριον, ᾧ πρὸς τοὺς υἱεῖς μάλιστ’ ἐχρῶντό τε καὶ ἔτι πολλοὶ χρῶνται τὰ νῦν, ὅταν αὐτοῖς ἐξαμαρτάνωσί τι, τὰ μὲν χαλεπαίνοντες, τὰ δὲ μαλθακωτέρως παραμυθούμενοι· τὸ δ’ οὖν ξύμπαν αὐτὸ ὀρθότατα εἴποι τις ἂν νουθετητικήν. — Ἔστιν οὕτω. — Τὸ δέ γε εἴξασί τινες ἂν λόγον ἑαυτοῖς δόντες ἡγήσασθαι πᾶσαν ἀκούσιον ἀμαθίαν εἶναι, καὶ μαθεῖν οὐδέν ποτ’ ἂν ἐθέλειν τὸν οἰόμενον ⟨σοφὸν εἶναι⟩ τούτων ⟨ὧν⟩ οἴοιτο πέρι δεινὸς εἶναι, μετὰ δὲ πολλοῦ πόνου τὸ νουθετητικὸν εἶδος τῆς παιδείας σμικρὸν ἀνύτειν. — Ὀρθῶς γε νομίζοντες.
Stobaeus, Volume II: Book II Chapter 31
p. 987Plato continued
It seems to me, then, that it still divides in some way along this line. — Along what line? — Of instruction through words, one way seems rather rough, while its other part is smoother. — What do we say each of these is? — ⟨One is⟩ a venerable ancestral practice, used especially toward sons, and still used by many today whenever their sons do something wrong: sometimes they scold, sometimes they encourage more gently. Taken as a whole, this would most correctly be called admonition. — That is so.1457 — As for the other, some people would seem, after reasoning it out for themselves, to have concluded that all lack of learning is involuntary; that someone who thinks ⟨he is wise⟩ will never want to learn any of the matters about ⟨which⟩ he supposes himself skilled; and that the admonitory form of education achieves little despite much effort.1458 — And they are right to think so.1459
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The complete surviving text of Stobaeus’s second book, through II.46.22, in Ancient Greek and English, with an introduction and 1,541 explanatory notes. All forty-six chapter headings remain, including the notices for chapters whose texts are missing.
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Greek: Curt Wachsmuth, Ioannis Stobaei Anthologii libri duo priores, volumen II (Berlin: Weidmann, 1884), printed p. 1 and pp. 3–264. The supplied edition preserves consequential editorial signs, reconstructed joins, qualified attributions, and missing-text notices. English translation, introduction, and explanatory notes: Diotimos Editions, 2026.
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