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Book I Chapter 49 · I.49.8.7–I.49.8.8
Ancient Greek
p. 10128.7
Οὐκοῦν καὶ τοῖν γενεσέοιν τοῖν περὶ ταῦτα ἥ γ᾽ ἑτέρα σαφὴς οὖσα τυγχάνει; τὸ γὰρ ἀποθνῄσκειν σαφὲς δήπου, ἢ οὔ; - Πάνυ μὲν οὖν, ἔφη. - Πῶς οὖν, ἦ δ᾽ ὅς, ποιήσομεν; ⟨οὐκ ἀνταποδώσομεν⟩ τὴν ἐναντίαν γένεσιν, ἀλλὰ ταύτῃ χωλὴ ἔσται ἡ φύσις; ἢ ἀνάγκη ἀποδοῦναι τῷ ἀποθνῄσκειν ἐναντίαν γένεσιν; - Πάντως που, ἔφη. - Τίνα ταύτην; - Τὸ ἀναβιώσκεσθαι.
8.8
Οὐκοῦν, ἦ δ᾽ ὅς, εἴπερ ἐστὶ τὸ ἀναβιώσκεσθαι, ἐκ τῶν τεθνεώτων ⟨ἂν εἴη γένεσις εἰς τοὺς ζῶντας αὕτη, τὸ ἀναβιώσκεσθαι; - Πάνυ γε. - Ὁμολογεῖται ἄρα ἡμῖν καὶ ταύτῃ τοὺς ζῶντας ἐκ τῶν τεθνεώτων⟩ γεγονέναι οὐδὲν ἧττον ἢ τοὺς τεθνεῶτας ἐκ τῶν ζώντων· τούτου δὲ ὄντος, ἱκανόν που ἐδόκει τεκμήριον εἶναι, ὅτι ἀναγκαῖον τὰς τῶν τεθνεώτων ψυχὰς εἶναί που, ὅθεν δὴ πάλιν γίγνεσθαι. - Δοκεῖ μοι, ἔφη, ὦ Σώκρατες, ἐκ τῶν ὡμολογημένων ἀναγκαῖον οὕτως ἔχειν.
Stobaeus, Volume I: Book I Chapter 49
p. 10138.7 · The opposite process
“And of the two processes of becoming involved here, is not one at least clear? Dying is surely clear, is it not?”
“Certainly,” he said.
“What then shall we do?” he said. “⟨Shall we not assign in return⟩ the opposite process of becoming? Will nature be lame in this respect? Or must we assign to dying an opposite process?”
“Surely we must,” he said.
“What is it?”
“Coming back to life.”1291
8.8 · The conclusion from the cycle
“Then,” he said, “if coming back to life exists, ⟨would this be a process of becoming that leads⟩ from the dead ⟨to the living, namely coming back to life?” “Certainly.” “We agree, then, on this ground also, that the living⟩ have come into being ⟨from the dead⟩ no less than the dead from the living. And if this is so, it seemed sufficient evidence that the souls of the dead must exist somewhere, from which they come into being again.”
“From what we have agreed,” he said, “it seems to me necessary that this should be so, Socrates.”1292
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