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Book I Chapter 41 · I.41.6.16–I.41.6.17
Ancient Greek
p. 8646.16
Τῶν δὲ ἐμψύχων ζῴων εἰσὶ δύο ἄλλαι ἐνέργειαι, αἳ παρέπονται ταῖς αἰσθήσεσι καὶ τοῖς πάθεσι, λύπη καὶ χαρά· χωρὶς τούτων ζῷον ἔμψυχον καὶ μάλιστα λογικὸν αἰσθέσθαι ἀδύνατον· διὸ καὶ ἰδέας ταύτας εἶναί φημι [τῶν παθῶν ἰδέας] τῶν λογικῶν μᾶλλον ζῴων ἐπικρατούσας. [Αἱ μὲν ἐνέργειαι ἐνεργοῦσιν, αἱ δὲ αἰσθήσεις τὰς ἐνεργείας ἀναφαίνουσιν.] Αὗται δὲ οὖσαι σωματικαὶ ἀνακινοῦνται ὑπὸ τῶν τῆς ψυχῆς ἀλόγων μερῶν, διὸ καὶ ἀμφοτέρας φημὶ κακωτικὰς εἶναι.
6.17
Τό τε γὰρ χαίρειν μεθ᾽ ἡδονῆς τὴν αἴσθησιν παρέχον πολλῶν κακῶν εὐθέως αἴτιον συμβαίνει τῷ παθόντι, ἥ τε λύπη ἀλγηδόνας καὶ ὀδύνας ἰσχυροτέρας παρέχεται· διόπερ εἰκότως ἀμφότεραι κακωτικαὶ ἂν εἴησαν.
⟨ΤΑΤ⟩ Ἡ αὐτὴ ⟨δ᾽⟩ ἂν εἴη αἴσθησις ψυχῆς καὶ σώματος, ὦ πάτερ;
⟨ΕΡΜ.⟩ Πῶς νοεῖς, ὦ παῖ, ψυχῆς αἴσθησιν;
Stobaeus, Volume I: Book I Chapter 41
p. 8656.16 · Pain and joy
In ensouled living creatures there are two further activities that accompany perceptions and affections: pain and joy. Without them an ensouled creature, especially a rational one, cannot perceive. That is why I call these forms [forms of the affections] that prevail especially over rational creatures. [Activities act, while perceptions reveal the activities.] These, being bodily, are stirred by the irrational parts of the soul; that is why I say that both are harmful.1114
6.17 · Pleasure and suffering
For rejoicing, which provides perception with pleasure, immediately proves a cause of many evils for the one who experiences it; pain supplies sharper pangs and sufferings. Both may therefore reasonably be called harmful.
⟨TAT⟩ ⟨But⟩ would the perception of soul and body be the same, father?
⟨HERMES⟩ What do you understand by perception of the soul, my child?1115
Socrates
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