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Book I Chapter 8 · I.8.45.4
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p. 26445 Πλάτωνος, Τιμαίου· συνέχεια
Καὶ πρὸς τούτοις ἔτι τὰ τοιάδε, τό τε γεγονὸς εἶναι γεγονὸς καὶ τὸ γιγνόμενον εἶναι γιγνόμενον, ἔτι τε τὸ γενησόμενον εἶναι γενησόμενον καὶ τὸ μὴ ὂν μὴ ὂν εἶναι· ὧν οὐδὲν ἀκριβὲς λέγομεν. Περὶ μὲν οὖν τούτων τάχ’ ἂν οὐκ ἂν εἴη καιρὸς πρέπων ἐν τῷ παρόντι διακριβολογεῖσθαι. Χρόνος δ’ οὖν μετ’ οὐρανοῦ γέγονεν, ἵν’ ἅμα γενηθέντες ἅμα καὶ λυθῶσιν, ἄν ποτε λύσις τις αὐτῶν γίγνηται, καὶ κατὰ τὸ παράδειγμα τῆς αἰωνίας φύσεως, ἵν’ ὡς ὁμοιότατος αὐτῷ κατὰ δύναμιν ᾖ. Τὸ μὲν γὰρ δὴ παράδειγμα πάντα αἰῶνά ἐστιν ὄν· ὁ δ’ αὖ διὰ τέλους τὸν ἅπαντα χρόνον γεγονώς τε καὶ ὢν καὶ ἐσόμενος.
Stobaeus, Volume I: Book I Chapter 8
p. 26545 Plato, Timaeus, continued
There are also statements such as these: what has become is what has become; what is becoming is what is becoming; what will become is what will become; and what is not is what is not. None of these expressions is exact. But perhaps this is not the right occasion to discuss them with precision. Time, then, came to be together with heaven, so that, having come to be together, they might also be dissolved together, should they ever undergo dissolution. It was made after the model of eternal nature, to be as like that model as possible. For the model is in being throughout all eternity, while heaven, continually throughout all time, has come to be, is, and will be.297
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