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Book I Chapter 20 · I.20.7.5–I.20.7.6
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p. 4827 ⟨Ἀρείου Διδύμου⟩ · 5
μὴ εἶναι δὲ ταὐτὸν τό τε ποιὸν ἰδίως καὶ τὴν οὐσίαν [ὁ] ἐξ ἧς ἐστι τοῦτο, μὴ μέντοι γε μηδ’ ἕτερον, ἀλλὰ μόνον οὐ ταὐτὸν διὰ τὸ καὶ μέρος εἶναι τῆς οὐσίας καὶ τὸν αὐτὸν ἐπέχειν τόπον, τὰ δ’ ἕτερά τινων λεγόμενα δεῖ καὶ τόπῳ κεχωρίσθαι καὶ μηδ’ ἐν μέρει θεωρεῖσθαι.
7 ⟨Ἀρείου Διδύμου⟩ · 6
Τὸ δὲ μὴ εἶναι ταὐτὸ τό τε κατὰ τὸ ἰδίως ποιὸν καὶ τὸ κατὰ τὴν οὐσίαν, δῆλον εἶναί φησιν ὁ Μνήσαρχος· ἀναγκαῖον γὰρ τοῖς αὐτοῖς ταὐτὰ συμβεβηκέναι. Εἰ γάρ τις πλάσας ἵππον, λόγου χάριν, συνθλάσειεν, ἔπειτα κύνα ποιήσειεν, εὐλόγως ἂν ἡμᾶς ἰδόντας εἰπεῖν, ὅτι τοῦτ’ οὐκ ἦν πάλαι, νῦν δ’ ἔστιν· ὥσθ’ ἕτερον εἶναι τὸ ἐπὶ τοῦ ποιοῦ λεγόμενον τόδε καὶ ⟨τὸ⟩ ἐπὶ τῆς οὐσίας.
Stobaeus, Volume I: Book I Chapter 20
p. 4837 Posidonius: Nonidentity and difference
The individually qualified thing is not identical with the substance of which it consists; yet neither is it a different thing, but only not identical, because it is part of substance and occupies the same place. Things said to be different from others must also be spatially separate and must not be regarded as parts of them.603
7 Mnesarchus: The modeled figure
Mnesarchus says that the nonidentity of a thing considered as individually qualified and a thing considered as substance is evident; for identical things must have the same attributes.604 If someone, for example, modeled a horse, crushed it, and then made a dog, we could reasonably say on seeing it, “This did not exist before, but now it does.” Hence “this” said of the qualified thing differs from ⟨“this”⟩ said of the substance.605
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