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Book I Chapter 19 · I.19.9.2–I.19.9.3
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p. 4509 Ἐν ταὐτῷ · 2
Καὶ περὶ τούτου πάντες ἑξῆς οἱ σοφοὶ πλὴν Παρμενίδου ξυμφέρονται, Πρωταγόρας τε καὶ Ἡράκλειτος καὶ Ἐμπεδοκλῆς καὶ τῶν ποιητῶν οἱ ἄκροι τῆς ποιήσεως ἑκατέρας, κωμῳδίας μὲν Ἐπίχαρμος, τραγῳδίας δὲ Ὅμηρος, ⟨ὃς⟩ εἰπών,
Ὠκεανόν τε θεῶν γένεσιν καὶ μητέρα Τηθύνπάντα εἴρηκεν ἔκγονα ῥοῆς τε καὶ κινήσεως. Τίς οὖν ἂν ἔτι πρός γε τοσοῦτον στρατόπεδον καὶ στρατηγὸν Ὅμηρον δύναιτο ἀμφισβητήσας μὴ καταγέλαστος γενέσθαι;
Οὐ ῥᾴδιον, ὦ Σώκρατες.
9 Ἐν ταὐτῷ · 3
Οὐ γάρ, ὦ Θεαίτητε. ἐπεὶ καὶ τάδε τῷ λόγῳ σημεῖα ἱκανά, ὅτι τὸ μὲν εἶναι δοκοῦν καὶ τὸ γίγνεσθαι κίνησις παρέχει, τὸ δὲ μὴ εἶναι καὶ ἀπόλλυσθαι ἡσυχία· τὸ γὰρ θερμόν τε καὶ πῦρ, ὃ δὴ καὶ τἄλλα γεννᾷ καὶ ἐπιτροπεύει, αὐτὸ γεννᾶται ἐκ φορᾶς καὶ τρίψεως· τοῦτο δ’ ἡ κίνησις. Καὶ μὴν τό γε τῶν ζῴων γένος ἐκ τῶν αὐτῶν τούτων φύεται.
Πῶς δ’ οὔ;
Stobaeus, Volume I: Book I Chapter 19
p. 4519 Plato: Poets and philosophers
On this all the wise agree, one after another, except Parmenides: Protagoras, Heraclitus, Empedocles, and the foremost poets in each kind of poetry, Epicharmus in comedy and Homer in tragedy.555 ⟨Homer, who⟩ said,
Ocean, origin of the gods, and mother Tethys,
said that all things are offspring of flow and motion. Who, then, could dispute with so great an army, with Homer as its general, and escape ridicule?556
That would not be easy, Socrates.
9 Plato: Motion and generation
Indeed not, Theaetetus. These too are sufficient signs in support of the account: motion produces what seems to be and what comes into being, whereas stillness produces nonbeing and destruction. For heat and fire, which generate and govern the other things, are themselves generated by movement and friction; that is motion. And the race of living creatures also springs from these same things.557
Of course.
Socrates
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