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Lysis

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Lysis · 211b–211e

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Ἀλλὰ χρὴ ποιεῖν ταῦτα, ἦν δ’ ἐγώ, ἐπειδή γε καὶ σὺ κελεύεις. ἀλλὰ ὅρα ὅπως ἐπικουρήσεις μοι, ἐάν με ἐλέγχειν ἐπιχειρῇ ὁ Μενέξενος· ἢ οὐκ οἶσθα ὅτι ἐριστικός ἐστιν;

Ναὶ μὰ Δία, ἔφη, σφόδρα γε· διὰ ταῦτά τοι καὶ βού211cλομαί σε αὐτῷ διαλέγεσθαι.

Ἵνα, ἦν δ’ ἐγώ, καταγέλαστος γένωμαι;

Οὐ μὰ Δία, ἔφη, ἀλλ’ ἵνα αὐτὸν κολάσῃς.

Πόθεν; ἦν δ’ ἐγώ. οὐ ῥᾴδιον· δεινὸς γὰρ ὁ ἄνθρωπος, Κτησίππου μαθητής. πάρεστι δέ τοι αὐτός—οὐχ ὁρᾷς;— Κτήσιππος.

Μηδενός σοι, ἔφη, μελέτω, ὦ Σώκρατες, ἀλλ’ ἴθι διαλέγου αὐτῷ.

Διαλεκτέον, ἦν δ’ ἐγώ.

Ταῦτα οὖν ἡμῶν λεγόντων πρὸς ἡμᾶς αὐτούς, Τί ὑμεῖς, ἔφη ὁ Κτήσιππος, αὐτὼ μόνω ἑστιᾶσθον, ἡμῖν δὲ οὐ 211d μεταδίδοτον τῶν λόγων;

Ἀλλὰ μήν, ἦν δ’ ἐγώ, μεταδοτέον. ὅδε γάρ τι ὧν λέγω οὐ μανθάνει, ἀλλά φησιν οἴεσθαι Μενέξενον εἰδέναι, καὶ κελεύει τοῦτον ἐρωτᾶν.

Τί οὖν, ἦ δ’ ὅς, οὐκ ἐρωτᾷς;

Ἀλλ’ ἐρήσομαι, ἦν δ’ ἐγώ. καί μοι εἰπέ, ὦ Μενέξενε, ὃ ἄν σε ἔρωμαι. τυγχάνω γὰρ ἐκ παιδὸς ἐπιθυμῶν κτήματός του, ὥσπερ ἄλλος ἄλλου. ὁ μὲν γάρ τις ἵππους 211e ἐπιθυμεῖ κτᾶσθαι, ὁ δὲ κύνας, ὁ δὲ χρυσίον, ὁ δὲ τιμάς· ἐγὼ δὲ πρὸς μὲν ταῦτα πρᾴως ἔχω, πρὸς δὲ τὴν τῶν φίλων κτῆσιν πάνυ ἐρωτικῶς, καὶ βουλοίμην ἄν μοι φίλον ἀγαθὸν γενέσθαι μᾶλλον ἢ τὸν ἄριστον ἐν ἀνθρώποις ὄρτυγα ἢ ἀλεκτρυόνα, καὶ ναὶ μὰ Δία ἔγωγε μᾶλλον ἢ ἵππον τε καὶ κύνα—οἶμαι δέ, νὴ τὸν κύνα, μᾶλλον ἢ τὸ Δαρείου χρυσίον κτήσασθαι δεξαίμην πολὺ πρότερον ἑταῖρον, μᾶλλον ⟨δὲ⟩

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Lysis

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“Well, I must do it,” I said, “since you too tell me to. But mind you come to my aid if Menexenus tries to refute me. Or don’t you know that he is contentious?”

“Yes, by Zeus,” he said, “very much so; that is exactly why I want 211c you to talk with him.”

“So that I become ridiculous?” I said.

“No, by Zeus,” he said, “so that you can punish him.”

“Not likely,” I said. “It isn’t easy, for the man is formidable, a pupil of Ctesippus. And he is here himself, you know — don’t you see? — Ctesippus.”

“Don’t you worry about anything, Socrates,” he said; “just go and talk with him.”

“Talk I must,” I said.

While we were saying this to each other, “Why are you two,” said Ctesippus, “feasting all by yourselves and not 211d giving us a share of the talk?”

“Why, a share you must have,” I said. “For this boy doesn’t follow something I’m saying, but says he thinks Menexenus knows it, and tells me to ask him.”

“Then why don’t you ask?” he said.

“I will ask,” I said. “Tell me, Menexenus, what I ask you. For ever since I was a boy I have in fact desired a certain possession, as one man desires one thing and another another. For one man 211e desires to acquire horses, another dogs, another gold, another honors; but I am mild about these things, while toward the acquiring of friends I am altogether like one in love; and I would want a good friend to come to me rather than the best quail or cock among men,1 and yes, by Zeus, rather than a horse and a dog; and I think, by the Dog,2 that I would far rather acquire a companion than Darius’ gold,3 or rather,

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About This Reading Edition

The complete Lysis, 203a–223b: Socrates questions Lysis and Menexenus about friendship, love, desire, and what is akin, as Hippothales listens. Burnet’s Greek faces a new Diotimos Editions English translation, with an introduction, key words, outline, glossary, critical apparatus, and linked translator notes.

Historical Text and Translation

Greek: Plato, Lysis, in John Burnet, Platonis Opera, volume III (Oxford, 1903; second impression, corrected, January 1909, printed by Horace Hart). The words were taken from the Perseus Digital Library transcription and checked against photographs of this impression by the supplied edition; Burnet’s lineation and critical apparatus are retained. The digital Greek transcription and its modifications are attributed to the Perseus Digital Library, Tufts University, under CC BY-SA 4.0. English translation and editorial matter: Diotimos Editions, 2026.

About Diotimos Editions

This historical edition credits Diotimos Editions as its English translator.

Rights

The ancient Greek work and Burnet’s printed edition are in the public domain. The Perseus digital Greek transcription and its modifications are reused under CC BY-SA 4.0. The new English translation and editorial matter are credited to Diotimos Editions, 2026; no open license is stated in the supplied edition.