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Lysis · 213c–214b

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οἱ φιλοῦντες φίλοι ἔσονται μήτε οἱ φιλούμενοι μήτε οἱ φιλοῦντές τε καὶ φιλούμενοι; ἀλλὰ καὶ παρὰ ταῦτα ἄλλους τινὰς ἔτι φήσομεν εἶναι φίλους ἀλλήλοις γιγνομένους;— Οὐ μὰ τὸν Δία, ἔφη, ὦ Σώκρατες, οὐ πάνυ εὐπορῶ ἔγωγε. 213d —Ἆρα μή, ἦν δ’ ἐγώ, ὦ Μενέξενε, τὸ παράπαν οὐκ ὀρθῶς ἐζητοῦμεν;—Οὐκ ἔμοιγε δοκεῖ, ὦ Σώκρατες, ἔφη, ὁ Λύσις, καὶ ἅμα εἰπὼν ἠρυθρίασεν· ἐδόκει γάρ μοι ἄκοντ’ αὐτὸν ἐκφεύγειν τὸ λεχθὲν διὰ τὸ σφόδρα προσέχειν τὸν νοῦν τοῖς λεγομένοις, δῆλος δ’ ἦν καὶ ὅτε ἠκροᾶτο οὕτως ἔχων.

Ἐγὼ οὖν βουλόμενος τόν τε Μενέξενον ἀναπαῦσαι καὶ ἐκείνου ἡσθεὶς τῇ φιλοσοφίᾳ, οὕτω μεταβαλὼν πρὸς τὸν 213e Λύσιν ἐποιούμην τοὺς λόγους, καὶ εἶπον· Ὦ Λύσι, ἀληθῆ μοι δοκεῖς λέγειν ὅτι εἰ ὀρθῶς ἡμεῖς ἐσκοποῦμεν, οὐκ ἄν ποτε οὕτως ἐπλανώμεθα. ἀλλὰ ταύτῃ μὲν μηκέτι ἴωμεν— καὶ γὰρ χαλεπή τίς μοι φαίνεται ὥσπερ ὁδὸς ἡ σκέψις—ᾗ δὲ ἐτράπημεν, δοκεῖ μοι χρῆναι ἰέναι, σκοποῦντα [τὰ] κατὰ 214a τοὺς ποιητάς· οὗτοι γὰρ ἡμῖν ὥσπερ πατέρες τῆς σοφίας εἰσὶν καὶ ἡγεμόνες. λέγουσι δὲ δήπου οὐ φαύλως ἀποφαινόμενοι περὶ τῶν φίλων, οἳ τυγχάνουσιν ὄντες· ἀλλὰ τὸν θεὸν αὐτόν φασιν ποιεῖν φίλους αὐτούς, ἄγοντα παρ’ ἀλλήλους. λέγουσι δέ πως ταῦτα, ὡς ἐγᾦμαι, ὡδί—

αἰεί τοι τὸν ὁμοῖον ἄγει θεὸς ὡς τὸν ὁμοῖον

214bκαὶ ποιεῖ γνώριμον· ἢ οὐκ ἐντετύχηκας τούτοις τοῖς ἔπεσιν; —Ἔγωγ’, ἔφη.—Οὐκοῦν καὶ τοῖς τῶν σοφωτάτων συγγράμμασιν ἐντετύχηκας ταῦτα αὐτὰ λέγουσιν, ὅτι τὸ ὅμοιον τῷ ὁμοίῳ ἀνάγκη ἀεὶ φίλον εἶναι; εἰσὶν δέ που οὗτοι οἱ περὶ φύσεώς τε καὶ τοῦ ὅλου διαλεγόμενοι καὶ γράφοντες.— Ἀληθῆ, ἔφη, λέγεις.—Ἆρ’ οὖν, ἦν δ’ ἐγώ, εὖ λέγουσιν;—

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those who love will be friends, nor those who are loved, nor those who both love and are loved? Or shall we say that there are still others besides these who become friends to each other?” — “No, by Zeus, Socrates,” he said, “I don’t see much of a way through, myself.” — 213d “Can it be, Menexenus,” I said, “that we were not seeking rightly at all?” — “We were not, I think, Socrates,” said Lysis; and as he said it he blushed; for it seemed to me that what he said had escaped him involuntarily, because he was paying such close attention to what was being said; and he had plainly been in that state while he listened, too.

So I, wanting to let Menexenus rest, and pleased with the other’s philosophy,1 changed over in this way and 213e turned my talk to Lysis, and said, “Lysis, I think what you say is true, that if we had been looking into it rightly, we would never have wandered like this. But let us not go this way any longer, for the looking into it seems to me a hard sort of road, as it were; but where we turned off, there I think one must go, looking into it along the lines of 214a the poets. For they are to us like fathers and guides of wisdom. And they speak, I take it, in no paltry way when they declare who friends are in fact; rather they say that the god himself makes them friends, bringing them to each other. And they say it something like this, I imagine:

Ever, you know, the god brings like to like,2

214band makes him known to him. Or haven’t you come across these verses?” — “I have,” he said. — “Then have you also come across the compositions of the wisest men, saying these very things, that like must always be a friend to like? These are, I take it, the people who talk and write about nature and the whole.”3 — “What you say is true,” he said. — “Then do they speak well?” I said. —

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About This Reading Edition

The complete Lysis, 203a–223b: Socrates questions Lysis and Menexenus about friendship, love, desire, and what is akin, as Hippothales listens. Burnet’s Greek faces a new Diotimos Editions English translation, with an introduction, key words, outline, glossary, critical apparatus, and linked translator notes.

Historical Text and Translation

Greek: Plato, Lysis, in John Burnet, Platonis Opera, volume III (Oxford, 1903; second impression, corrected, January 1909, printed by Horace Hart). The words were taken from the Perseus Digital Library transcription and checked against photographs of this impression by the supplied edition; Burnet’s lineation and critical apparatus are retained. The digital Greek transcription and its modifications are attributed to the Perseus Digital Library, Tufts University, under CC BY-SA 4.0. English translation and editorial matter: Diotimos Editions, 2026.

About Diotimos Editions

This historical edition credits Diotimos Editions as its English translator.

Rights

The ancient Greek work and Burnet’s printed edition are in the public domain. The Perseus digital Greek transcription and its modifications are reused under CC BY-SA 4.0. The new English translation and editorial matter are credited to Diotimos Editions, 2026; no open license is stated in the supplied edition.