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Lysis · 209a–209d
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p. 18μεῖς.—Οὐ γάρ πω, ἔφη, ἡλικίαν ἔχω, ὦ Σώκρατες.—Μὴ οὐ τοῦτό σε, ὦ παῖ Δημοκράτους, κωλύῃ, ἐπεὶ τό γε τοσόνδε, ὡς ἐγᾦμαι, καὶ ὁ πατὴρ καὶ ἡ μήτηρ σοι ἐπιτρέπουσιν καὶ οὐκ ἀναμένουσιν ἕως ἂν ἡλικίαν ἔχῃς. ὅταν γὰρ βούλωνται αὑτοῖς τινα ἀναγνωσθῆναι ἢ γραφῆναι, σέ, ὡς ἐγᾦμαι, 209b πρῶτον τῶν ἐν τῇ οἰκίᾳ ἐπὶ τοῦτο τάττουσιν. ἦ γάρ;— Πάνυ γ’, ἔφη.—Οὐκοῦν ἔξεστί σοι ἐνταῦθ’ ὅτι ἂν βούλῃ πρῶτον τῶν γραμμάτων γράφειν καὶ ὅτι ἂν δεύτερον· καὶ ἀναγιγνώσκειν ὡσαύτως ἔξεστιν. καὶ ἐπειδάν, ὡς ἐγᾦμαι, τὴν λύραν λάβῃς, οὐ διακωλύουσί σε οὔτε ὁ πατὴρ οὔτε ἡ μήτηρ ἐπιτεῖναί τε καὶ ἀνεῖναι ἣν ἂν βούλῃ τῶν χορδῶν, καὶ ψῆλαι καὶ κρούειν τῷ πλήκτρῳ. ἢ διακωλύουσιν;—Οὐ δῆτα.—Τί ποτ’ ἂν οὖν εἴη, ὦ Λύσι, τὸ αἴτιον ὅτι ἐνταῦθα 209c μὲν οὐ διακωλύουσιν, ἐν οἷς δὲ ἄρτι ἐλέγομεν κωλύουσι;— Ὅτι οἶμαι, ἔφη, ταῦτα μὲν ἐπίσταμαι, ἐκεῖνα δ’ οὔ.—Εἶεν, ἦν δ’ ἐγώ, ὦ ἄριστε· οὐκ ἄρα τὴν ἡλικίαν σου περιμένει ὁ πατὴρ ἐπιτρέπειν πάντα, ἀλλ’ ᾗ ἂν ἡμέρᾳ ἡγήσηταί σε βέλτιον αὑτοῦ φρονεῖν, ταύτῃ ἐπιτρέψει σοι καὶ αὑτὸν καὶ τὰ αὑτοῦ.—Οἶμαι ἔγωγε, ἔφη.—Εἶεν, ἦν δ’ ἐγώ· τί δέ; τῷ γείτονι ἆρ’ οὐχ ὁ αὐτὸς ὅρος ὅσπερ τῷ πατρὶ περὶ σοῦ; 209d πότερον οἴει αὐτὸν ἐπιτρέψειν σοι τὴν αὑτοῦ οἰκίαν οἰκονομεῖν, ὅταν σε ἡγήσηται βέλτιον περὶ οἰκονομίας ἑαυτοῦ φρονεῖν, ἢ αὐτὸν ἐπιστατήσειν;—Ἐμοὶ ἐπιτρέψειν οἶμαι.— Τί δ’; Ἀθηναίους οἴει σοι οὐκ ἐπιτρέψειν τὰ αὑτῶν, ὅταν αἰσθάνωνται ὅτι ἱκανῶς φρονεῖς;—Ἔγωγε.—Πρὸς Διός, ἦν δ’ ἐγώ, τί ἄρα ὁ μέγας βασιλεύς; πότερον τῷ πρεσβυτάτῳ ὑεῖ, οὗ ἡ τῆς Ἀσίας ἀρχὴ γίγνεται, μᾶλλον ἂν ἐπιτρέψειεν ἑψομένων κρεῶν [ἐμβάλλειν] ὅτι ἂν βούληται ἐμ-
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p. 19— “That’s because I’m not yet of age,1 Socrates,” he said. — “I rather think it isn’t that which stops you, son of Democrates, since this much at least, I imagine, your father and mother do entrust to you, and they don’t wait until you are of age: when they want something read or written for them, it’s you, I imagine, 209b they put to this first of all the household. Isn’t that so?” — “Very much so,” he said. — “Then here you are allowed to write whichever letter you want first and whichever second; and you are allowed to read in the same way. And when, I imagine, you take up the lyre, neither your father nor your mother prevents you from both tightening and loosening whichever of the strings you want, and plucking them with your fingers and striking them with the plectrum. Or do they prevent you?” — “Certainly not.” — “Then what can the reason be, Lysis, that here 209c they don’t prevent you, but in the things we were speaking of just now they stop you?” — “I think it’s because I know these things,” he said, “and I don’t know those.” — “Very well, my excellent boy,” I said. “So your father isn’t waiting for you to be of age before he entrusts everything to you, but on whatever day he believes that you understand better than he does, on that day he will entrust to you both himself and what is his.” — “I think so,” he said. — “Very well,” I said. “What then? Hasn’t your neighbor the same standard as your father where you are concerned? 209d Do you think he will entrust you with managing his house, when he believes that you understand managing a house better than he does,2 or will he oversee it himself?” — “He’ll entrust it to me, I think.” — “What then? Don’t you think the Athenians will entrust what is theirs to you, when they perceive that you understand well enough?” — “I do.” — “In the name of Zeus,” I said, “what, then, about the Great King? Would he sooner, when meat is boiling, entrust his eldest son, to whom the rule of Asia passes, with throwing whatever he wants
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The complete Lysis, 203a–223b: Socrates questions Lysis and Menexenus about friendship, love, desire, and what is akin, as Hippothales listens. Burnet’s Greek faces a new Diotimos Editions English translation, with an introduction, key words, outline, glossary, critical apparatus, and linked translator notes.
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Greek: Plato, Lysis, in John Burnet, Platonis Opera, volume III (Oxford, 1903; second impression, corrected, January 1909, printed by Horace Hart). The words were taken from the Perseus Digital Library transcription and checked against photographs of this impression by the supplied edition; Burnet’s lineation and critical apparatus are retained. The digital Greek transcription and its modifications are attributed to the Perseus Digital Library, Tufts University, under CC BY-SA 4.0. English translation and editorial matter: Diotimos Editions, 2026.
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