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Lysis · 204a–204e
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p. 4Μὰ Δία, ἦν δ’ ἐγώ, οὐ φαῦλός γε ἁνήρ, ἀλλ’ ἱκανὸς σοφιστής.
Βούλει οὖν ἕπεσθαι, ἔφη, ἵνα καὶ ἴδῃς τοὺς ὄντας αὐτόθι [αὐτοῦ];
204bΠρῶτον ἡδέως ἀκούσαιμ’ ἂν ἐπὶ τῷ καὶ εἴσειμι καὶ τίς ὁ καλός.
Ἄλλος, ἔφη, ἄλλῳ ἡμῶν δοκεῖ, ὦ Σώκρατες.
Σοὶ δὲ δὴ τίς, ὦ Ἱππόθαλες; τοῦτό μοι εἰπέ.
Καὶ ὃς ἐρωτηθεὶς ἠρυθρίασεν. καὶ ἐγὼ εἶπον· Ὦ παῖ Ἱερωνύμου Ἱππόθαλες, τοῦτο μὲν μηκέτι εἴπῃς, εἴτε ἐρᾷς του εἴτε μή· οἶδα γὰρ ὅτι οὐ μόνον ἐρᾷς, ἀλλὰ καὶ πόρρω ἤδη εἶ πορευόμενος τοῦ ἔρωτος. εἰμὶ δ’ ἐγὼ τὰ μὲν ἄλλα φαῦλος 204c καὶ ἄχρηστος, τοῦτο δέ μοί πως ἐκ θεοῦ δέδοται, ταχὺ οἵῳ τ’ εἶναι γνῶναι ἐρῶντά τε καὶ ἐρώμενον.
Καὶ ὃς ἀκούσας πολὺ ἔτι μᾶλλον ἠρυθρίασεν. ὁ οὖν Κτήσιππος, Ἀστεῖόν γε, ἦ δ’ ὅς, ὅτι ἐρυθριᾷς, ὦ Ἱππόθαλες, καὶ ὀκνεῖς εἰπεῖν Σωκράτει τοὔνομα· ἐὰν δ’ οὗτος καὶ σμικρὸν χρόνον συνδιατρίψῃ σοι, παραταθήσεται ὑπὸ σοῦ ἀκούων θαμὰ λέγοντος. ἡμῶν γοῦν, ὦ Σώκρατες, ἐκκεκώφωκε τὰ 204d ὦτα καὶ ἐμπέπληκε Λύσιδος· ἂν μὲν δὴ καὶ ὑποπίῃ, εὐμαρία ἡμῖν ἐστιν καὶ ἐξ ὕπνου ἐγρομένοις Λύσιδος οἴεσθαι τοὔνομα ἀκούειν. καὶ ἃ μὲν καταλογάδην διηγεῖται, δεινὰ ὄντα, οὐ πάνυ τι δεινά ἐστιν, ἀλλ’ ἐπειδὰν τὰ ποιήματα ἡμῶν ἐπιχειρήσῃ καταντλεῖν καὶ συγγράμματα. καὶ ὅ ἐστιν τούτων δεινότερον, ὅτι καὶ ᾄδει εἰς τὰ παιδικὰ φωνῇ θαυμασίᾳ, ἣν ἡμᾶς δεῖ ἀκούοντας ἀνέχεσθαι. νῦν δὲ ἐρωτώμενος ὑπὸ σοῦ ἐρυθριᾷ.
204eἜστιν δέ, ἦν δ’ ἐγώ, ὁ Λύσις νέος τις, ὡς ἔοικε· τεκμαίρομαι δέ, ὅτι ἀκούσας τοὔνομα οὐκ ἔγνων.
Lysis
p. 5“By Zeus,” I said, “the man is no paltry one, either, but a capable sophist.”
“Do you want to come along, then,” he said, “so that you can also see the people who are there?”
204b“First I would gladly hear on what terms I’m going in, and who the beautiful one is.”
“One of us thinks it’s one, Socrates,” he said, “and another another.”
“And who is it for you, Hippothales? Tell me that.”
And at the question he blushed. And I said, “Son of Hieronymus, Hippothales, don’t tell me that any more, whether you are in love with someone or not. For I know that you are not only in love, but already far along, making your way in love. In other things I’m paltry 204c and useless; but this, somehow, has been given me by a god: to be able to know quickly one who is in love and one who is beloved.”
And at this he blushed far more still. Then Ctesippus said, “Oh, that’s charming, Hippothales, that you blush and hesitate to tell Socrates the name! But if he spends even a little time with you, he’ll be worn to death hearing you say it so often. Our 204d ears, at any rate, Socrates, he has deafened and filled full of Lysis. And if he has had a little to drink, it’s easy for us, even when we wake from sleep, to think we hear the name of Lysis. And what he tells in prose, dreadful as it is, isn’t so very dreadful; but when he sets about drenching us with his poems and compositions! And what is more dreadful than that, he even sings to his darling in a wondrous voice, and we have to hear it and put up with it. But now, asked by you, he blushes.”
204e“This Lysis is someone young, it seems,” I said. “I judge so because I heard the name and didn’t know it.”
Socrates
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Socrates will begin with this book and its sources.About This Reading Edition
The complete Lysis, 203a–223b: Socrates questions Lysis and Menexenus about friendship, love, desire, and what is akin, as Hippothales listens. Burnet’s Greek faces a new Diotimos Editions English translation, with an introduction, key words, outline, glossary, critical apparatus, and linked translator notes.
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Greek: Plato, Lysis, in John Burnet, Platonis Opera, volume III (Oxford, 1903; second impression, corrected, January 1909, printed by Horace Hart). The words were taken from the Perseus Digital Library transcription and checked against photographs of this impression by the supplied edition; Burnet’s lineation and critical apparatus are retained. The digital Greek transcription and its modifications are attributed to the Perseus Digital Library, Tufts University, under CC BY-SA 4.0. English translation and editorial matter: Diotimos Editions, 2026.
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