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The Notebooks of Joseph Joubert, Volumes I–II
Joseph Joubert · Diotimos Editions · 2026
Browse this book’s lexicon →Ancients and moderns
ancien; moderne
Anciens and modernes organize comparisons between literary practices; ancien can also mean earlier within the modern period.
Orientation
At a Glance
- The wordAnciens and modernes organize comparisons between literary practices; ancien can also mean earlier within the modern period.
- In JoubertJoubert contrasts calming, moderating and regulating passions through exercise with the modern aim of excitation.
- In this editionThe English translation distinguishes ancients from earlier rather than imposing a single equivalent.
- A place to beginAncient regulation and modern excitation of passions are opposed.
- English renderings
- ancients; moderns; earlier; later
Meaning
Anciens and modernes organize comparisons between literary practices; ancien can also mean earlier within the modern period.
Use in the book
Joubert contrasts calming, moderating and regulating passions through exercise with the modern aim of excitation. A second contrast concerns abundance: praise of everything plentiful almost reverses the ancient critics’ maxim against excess. These are polemical comparisons of aims and judgments, not neutral histories of every ancient and modern writer. A separate contrast credits the earliest writers with saying only beautiful things and later writers with saying much in few words. Yet “earlier critics (among the moderns)” shows why ancien cannot invariably become ancient: the named critics belong within the modern group.
Places to read
- I, p. 389, entry 4, ¶1Ancient regulation and modern excitation of passions are opposed.
- II, p. 672, entry 8, ¶1The capable/guilty contrast qualifies literary abundance.
- II, p. 733, entry 9, ¶1Earliest and later writers receive different merits.
- II, p. 525, entry 13, ¶1Anciens means earlier critics within the moderns.
Translation in this edition
The English translation distinguishes ancients from earlier rather than imposing a single equivalent. The Latin critical maxim on II.672 remains literal; its note reports a close Ciceronian parallel without replacing Joubert’s Plus with magis. Relative periods in the earliest/later comparison receive no invented dates.
Source note
Beaunier 1938, I, pp. 389; II, pp. 525, 672, 733.
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René
François-René de Chateaubriand · Diotimos Editions · 2026
Browse this book’s lexicon →Antiquity and the modern world
anciens; modernes; Grèce; Rome; fatalité
Antiquity is not one undifferentiated authority.
Orientation
At a Glance
- The wordAntiquity is not one undifferentiated authority.
- In RenéThe Preface's account of the vague contrasts ancient public occupations with modern enclosed faculties.
- In this editionThe supplied variants show that earlier uses of “philosophy” give way to religion, disgust for earth or wisdom in several places in the 1826 text.
- A place to readLes anciens ont peu — The historical comparison is qualified rather than absolute.
Meaning
Antiquity is not one undifferentiated authority. It supplies physical remains, civic activity, poetic models, philosophical examples and narratives of inherited catastrophe. The modern world likewise appears both as deficient society and as the site of new forms of inward life.
Use in the book
The Preface's account of the vague contrasts ancient public occupations with modern enclosed faculties. Civic affairs and bodily exercise supposedly left little room for restless feeling without an object. This is an explanatory contrast advanced by the authorial argument, not a comprehensive history of ancient emotional life.
René's travels encounter a more troubling antiquity. Its greatness lies in ruins, and its remains may be criminal dust. The past is a mutilated statue rather than a complete model for imitation. Classical materials can awaken thought and admiration without providing the lost whole he seeks.
The authorial defense turns to ancient tragic families when explaining the story's catastrophe, then proposes a Christian sanctification of the inherited material. Borrowing is therefore accompanied by moral recoding. Likewise a Vestal figure can describe a Christian nun, or a pagan example of composed dying can enter René's dangerous reasoning. Such transfers are selective and sometimes uneasy; none warrants reading the entire narrative as a disguised Platonic system.
Places to read
- Preface p. 10Les anciens ont peu — The historical comparison is qualified rather than absolute.
- Preface p. 14les anciens attribuoient à la fatalité — Ancient catastrophe supplies a model later recast in Christian terms.
- p. 148Rome et de la Grèce — The travel sequence encounters antiquity as remains.
- p. 152deux statues incomplètes — Past and present fail in different ways to form a whole.
- p. 187la vestale — A classical religious figure is transferred to a Christian setting.
Translation in this edition
The supplied variants show that earlier uses of “philosophy” give way to religion, disgust for earth or wisdom in several places in the 1826 text. Those local changes matter, but they do not expunge classical material from the narrative. The supplied variants allow comparison of wording, not a complete genealogy of the author's intellectual development.