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Minos · 316c–317a
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p. 12γραμμα;—ΕΤ. Οἶδα, ὅτι ἰατρικῆς.—ΣΩ. Οὐκοῦν ἰατροὺς καλεῖς τοὺς ἐπιστήμονας περὶ τούτων;—ΕΤ. Φημί.—ΣΩ. 316d Πότερον οὖν οἱ ἐπιστήμονες ταὐτὰ περὶ τῶν αὐτῶν νομίζουσιν ἢ ἄλλοι ἄλλα;—ΕΤ. Ταὐτὰ ἔμοιγε δοκοῦσι.—ΣΩ. Πότερον οἱ Ἕλληνες μόνοι τοῖς Ἕλλησιν ἢ καὶ οἱ βάρβαροι αὑτοῖς τε καὶ τοῖς Ἕλλησι, περὶ ὧν ἂν εἰδῶσι, ταὐτὰ νομίζουσι;—ΕΤ. Ταὐτὰ δήπου πολλὴ ἀνάγκη ἐστὶν τοὺς εἰδότας αὐτοὺς αὑτοῖς συννομίζειν καὶ Ἕλληνας καὶ βαρβάρους.— ΣΩ. Καλῶς γε ἀπεκρίνω. οὐκοῦν καὶ ἀεί;—ΕΤ. Ναί, καὶ ἀεί.
ΣΩ. Οὐκοῦν καὶ οἱ ἰατροὶ συγγράφουσι περὶ ὑγιείας ἅπερ 316e καὶ νομίζουσιν εἶναι;—ΕΤ. Ναί.—ΣΩ. Ἰατρικὰ ἄρα καὶ ἰατρικοὶ νόμοι ταῦτα τὰ συγγράμματα ἐστὶν τὰ τῶν ἰατρῶν. —ΕΤ. Ἰατρικὰ μέντοι.—ΣΩ. Ἆρ’ οὖν καὶ τὰ γεωργικὰ συγγράμματα γεωργικοὶ νόμοι εἰσίν;—ΕΤ. Ναί.—ΣΩ. Τίνων οὖν ἐστιν τὰ περὶ κήπων ἐργασίας συγγράμματα καὶ νόμιμα; —ΕΤ. Κηπουρῶν.—ΣΩ. Κηπουρικοὶ ἄρα νόμοι ἡμῖν εἰσιν οὗτοι.—ΕΤ. Ναί.—ΣΩ. Τῶν ἐπισταμένων κήπων ἄρχειν; —ΕΤ. Πῶς δ’ οὔ;—ΣΩ. Ἐπίστανται δ’ οἱ κηπουροί.—ΕΤ. Ναί.—ΣΩ. Τίνων δὲ τὰ περὶ ὄψου σκευασίας συγγράμματά τε καὶ νόμιμα;—ΕΤ. Μαγείρων.—ΣΩ. Μαγειρικοὶ ἄρα οὗτοι νόμοι εἰσί;—ΕΤ. Μαγειρικοί.—ΣΩ. Τῶν ἐπισταμένων, ὡς 317a ἔοικεν, ὄψου σκευασίας ἄρχειν;—ΕΤ. Ναί.—ΣΩ. Ἐπίστανται δέ, ὥς φασιν, οἱ μάγειροι;—ΕΤ. Ἐπίστανται γάρ. —ΣΩ. Εἶεν· τίνων δὲ δὴ τὰ περὶ πόλεως διοικήσεως συγγράμματά τε καὶ νόμιμά ἐστιν; ἆρ’ οὐ τῶν ἐπισταμένων πόλεων ἄρχειν;—ΕΤ. Ἔμοιγε δοκεῖ.—ΣΩ. Ἐπίστανται δὲ ἄλλοι τινὲς ἢ οἱ πολιτικοί τε καὶ οἱ βασιλικοί;—ΕΤ. Οὗτοι μὲν οὖν.—ΣΩ. Πολιτικὰ ἄρα ταῦτα συγγράμματά ἐστιν,
Minos
p. 13—Comp. I know: it is medicine’s.—Soc. Then you call those who have knowledge of these things doctors?—Comp. I say so.—Soc. 316d Then do those who have knowledge accept the same things about the same things, or different people different things?—Comp. The same, I think.—Soc. Do Greeks alone accept the same things as Greeks, or do barbarians too, about whatever they know, accept the same things both among themselves and with the Greeks?—Comp. Surely it is absolutely necessary that those who know accept the same things in common with one another, both Greeks and barbarians.—Soc. Well answered. Then always too?—Comp. Yes, and always.
Soc. Then doctors too write about health just what 316e they also accept as being?—Comp. Yes.—Soc. Then these writings of the doctors are writings of medicine, and laws of medicine.—Comp. Of medicine, certainly.—Soc. And are writings on farming, too, laws of farming?—Comp. Yes.—Soc. Whose, then, are the writings and lawful usages about the working of gardens?—Comp. Gardeners’.—Soc. Then these, for us, are laws of gardening.—Comp. Yes.—Soc. Of those who know how to rule gardens?—Comp. Of course.—Soc. And the gardeners know how.—Comp. Yes.—Soc. And whose are the writings and lawful usages about the preparation of dishes?—Comp. Cooks’.—Soc. Then these are laws of cookery?—Comp. Of cookery.—Soc. Of those, 317a it seems, who know how to rule the preparation of dishes?—Comp. Yes.—Soc. And the cooks, as they say, know how?—Comp. Yes, they know how.—Soc. Very well. And whose, then, are the writings and lawful usages about the ordering of a city? Are they not of those who know how to rule cities?—Comp. I think so.—Soc. And does anyone else know how, other than the statesmen and the kingly men?—Comp. These, certainly.—Soc. Then these are statesmen’s writings,
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Socrates and an unnamed companion ask what law is, testing custom, civic decrees, true opinion, and the discovery of what is. The conversation turns to the crafts and to Minos as the lawgiver of Crete, before ending with an unanswered question about what improves the soul. This complete edition presents the dialogue, 313a–321d, across thirteen Greek–English page pairs, with an introduction, key words, outline, glossary, critical apparatus, and thirty translator’s notes. Transmitted among Plato’s works, its authorship is disputed.
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