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The Notebooks of Joseph Joubert, Volume II
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French
p. 899137 (id.)
Il est étonnant combien depuis Platon l’esprit humain a rétrogradé. Ce n’est qu’avec des peines infinies qu’il revient au point de lumière où ce philosophe l’avoit porté. Les notions morales de nos plus grands génies mêmes ont rarement atteint et jamais surpassé les idées de cet Athénien qui vivoit il y a plus de deux mille ans. Il semble que toutes les grandes vérités de ce genre aient dormi pendant tout ce temps là dans les écrits de ce spiritualiste outré qui a porté ses erreurs métaphysiques aussi loin que ses découvertes politiques. Heureusement l’erreur et la vérité sont tellement séparées que le même esprit peut faire de grands progrès et de grands écarts. Et voilà ce qu’on voit dans les ouvrages de Platon. Il arrive ordinairement que les erreurs des grands esprits sont moins funestes que leurs découvertes ne sont utiles, ne fût-ce que par cette seule raison : que, nous apprenant à marcher de leur pas qui est le bon, nous accoutumant dans leurs ouvrages à la vérité (car s’ils tombent, ce n’est qu’au terme de la carrière, en quelque sorte) ils nous apprennent à les juger, eux et leurs productions, et à mieux voir ce qu’ils ont vu qu’eux-mêmes. Il est arrivé au contraire qu’on n’a jusqu’ici adopté que les rêveries de Platon sur—..... les théologiens employèrent à l’édifice de leur absurde doctrine; et qu’on a rejetté comme des chimères toutes ces vérités si belles et si palpables, pour ainsi dire, sur le gouvernement, la justice, etc., etc. Une chose que Platon a peu conuë, c’est la nature des arts et leur destination. A cela près, il me paroît avoir réuni et fixé dans ses ouvrages tout ce qu’on [a] pu conoître jusqu’ici de la science du gouvernement. On trouve chez lui presque tout ce qu’on a pensé après. Une longue attention sur cette matière. (Voilà qui est écrit bien molement, bien lâchement.)
The Notebooks of Joseph Joubert, Volume II: UNDATED
p. 899237 (id.)
It is astonishing how far the human mind has gone backward since Plato. Only with infinite pains does it return to the point of light to which that philosopher had brought it. The moral notions of even our greatest geniuses have rarely attained and never surpassed the ideas of that Athenian who lived more than two thousand years ago. It seems that all the great truths of this kind slept throughout that time in the writings of that extreme spiritualist who carried his metaphysical errors as far as his political discoveries. Fortunately error and truth are so separate that the same mind can make great advances and great deviations. And that is what we see in Plato’s works. It ordinarily happens that the errors of great minds are less harmful than their discoveries are useful, were it only for this one reason: that, teaching us to walk with their step, which is the right one, accustoming us in their works to truth (for if they fall, it is only at the end of the course, in a manner of speaking), they teach us to judge them and their productions, and to see what they saw better than they themselves did. What has happened, on the contrary, is that so far people have adopted only Plato’s reveries on —..... the theologians employed them in the edifice of their absurd doctrine; and that people have rejected as chimeras all those truths so beautiful and so palpable, so to speak, about government, justice, etc., etc. One thing Plato knew little of is the nature of the arts and their destination. Apart from that, he seems to me to have gathered and fixed in his works everything that one [has] been able to know thus far of the science of government. One finds in him almost everything that has been thought since. Long attention to this matter. (That is written very limply, very loosely.)
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Socrates will begin with this book and its sources.About This Reading Edition
Joubert’s notebooks return to the work of thinking and writing, the demands of friendship, and questions of faith, beauty and conduct. This edition pairs the French with a new English translation, preserving the order of the chosen source and the unfinished character of its fragments. Dates and source references allow readers to follow a thought through time or return to its printed context.
Historical Text and Translation
The French text follows André Beaunier’s 1938 edition of Les Carnets de Joseph Joubert, published by Gallimard from Joubert’s autograph manuscripts. Volume II continues the notebooks and includes seventy undated pieces. French and English are aligned paragraph by paragraph, retaining the source order, printed dates and page references so readers can return to the facsimile.
About Diotimos Editions
Diotimos Editions prepared this new English translation directly from the French, preserving Joubert’s distinctions, recurring images, ambiguities and unfinished thoughts. Translator’s notes clarify wording, references and uncertain readings: Essential keeps notes that help explain a passage, while All includes technical detail. Annotations from the 1938 source edition remain distinct from the new translator’s notes.
Rights
The linked facsimile records identify the French source as public domain in the United States. The new English translation and editorial notes are © 2026 Diotimos, with source annotations and new editorial contributions credited separately. This edition pairs the complete French notebooks with an independent English translation, preserving the distinction between Joubert’s text and its accompanying notes.