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Alcibiades II · 148e–149c
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p. 36Ἄμμωνα ἐκεῖνον ἐπερωτᾶν· ἔτι δὲ πρὸς τούτοις τάδε, [καὶ] ἀνθ’ ὅτου ποτὲ Λακεδαιμονίοις οἱ θεοὶ μᾶλλον νίκην διδόασιν ἢ σφίσιν αὐτοῖς, οἳ πλείστας, φάναι, μὲν θυσίας καὶ καλλίστας τῶν Ἑλλήνων ἄγομεν, ἀναθήμασί τε κεκοσμήκαμεν τὰ ἱερὰ αὐτῶν ὡς οὐδένες ἄλλοι, πομπάς τε πολυτελεστάτας καὶ σεμνοτάτας ἐδωρούμεθα τοῖς θεοῖς ἀν’ ἕκαστον ἔτος, καὶ 149a ἐτελοῦμεν χρήματα ὅσα οὐδ’ ἇλλοι σύμπαντες Ἕλληνες· Λακεδαιμονίοις δέ, φάναι, οὐδεπώποτ’ ἐμέλησεν οὐδὲν τούτων, ἀλλ’ οὕτως ὀλιγώρως διάκεινται πρὸς τοὺς θεούς, ὥστε καὶ ἀνάπηρα θύουσιν ἑκάστοτε καὶ τἆλλα πάντα οὐκ ὀλίγῳ ἐνδεεστέρως τιμῶσιν ἤπερ ἡμεῖς, χρήματα οὐδὲν ἐλάττω κεκτημένοι τῆς ἡμετέρας πόλεως. ἐπεὶ δὴ εἰρηκέναι ταῦτα καὶ ἐπερωτῆσαι τί χρὴ πράττοντας αὐτοὺς τῶν παρόντων κακῶν ἀπαλλαγὴν εὑρεῖν, ἄλλο μὲν οὐθὲν ἀποκριθῆναι τὸν 149b προφήτην—τὸν γὰρ θεὸν οὐκ ἐᾶν δῆλον ὅτι—καλέσαντα δὲ αὐτόν, Ἀθηναίοις, φάναι, τάδε λέγει Ἄμμων· φησὶν ἂν βούλεσθαι αὑτῷ τὴν Λακεδαιμονίων εὐφημίαν εἶναι μᾶλλον ἢ τὰ σύμπαντα τῶν Ἑλλήνων ἱερά. τοσαῦτα εἰπεῖν, οὐκέτι περαιτέρω. τήν γ’ οὖν εὐφημίαν οὐκ ἄλλην τινά μοι δοκεῖ λέγειν ὁ θεὸς ἢ τὴν εὐχὴν αὐτῶν· ἔστι γὰρ τῷ ὄντι πολὺ 149c διαφέρουσα τῶν ἄλλων. οἱ μὲν γὰρ ἄλλοι Ἕλληνες οἱ μὲν χρυσόκερως βοῦς παραστησάμενοι, ἕτεροι δ’ ἀναθήμασι δωρούμενοι τοὺς θεούς, εὔχονται ἅττ’ ἂν τύχῃ ταῦτα, ἄντε ἀγαθὰ ἄντε κακά· βλασφημούντων οὖν αὐτῶν ἀκούοντες οἱ θεοὶ οὐκ ἀποδέχονται τὰς πολυτελεῖς ταυτασὶ πομπάς τε καὶ θυσίας. ἀλλὰ δοκεῖ μοι πολλῆς φυλακῆς δεῖσθαι καὶ σκέψεως ὅτι ποτὲ ῥητέον ἐστὶ καὶ μή.
Alcibiades II
p. 37Ammon and ask him; and further, besides these things, this: why on earth the gods give victory to the Spartans rather than to themselves, we who, he said, offer the most and the finest sacrifices of the Greeks, and have adorned the gods’ temples with offerings as no others have, and every year presented the gods with the most costly and most solemn processions, and 149a paid out as much money as not even all the other Greeks together did; but the Spartans, he said, have never cared about any of this; no, they are so neglectfully disposed toward the gods that they even sacrifice maimed victims on each occasion, and in all else honor them by no small amount less fully than we, though they possess no less money than our city.1 When he had said this and asked what they must do to find a release from the bad things they had, the 149b prophet answered nothing else—for the god, evidently, did not allow it—but called him and said: Thus says Ammon to the Athenians: he says he would rather have the Spartans’ auspicious speech than all the rites of the Greeks together. This much he said, and nothing further. Now by the auspicious speech the god, I think, means nothing other than their prayer; for it really is very 149c different from the others’. For the other Greeks, some having brought forward oxen with gilded horns, others presenting the gods with offerings, pray for whatever comes, whether good or bad; so the gods, hearing them speak ill-omened words, do not accept these costly processions and sacrifices. But it seems to me to need much caution and looking into, what on earth one should say and what not.2
Socrates
Reading Alcibiades II · Alcibiades II · 148e–149c
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Socrates and Alcibiades examine prayer, ignorance, and the knowledge of what is best. Their inquiry asks whether receiving what we desire can harm us when we do not know what is good. This complete revised edition presents the dialogue, 138a–151c, across twenty-one Greek–English page pairs, with an introduction, Key Words of the Dialogue, an outline, glossary, critical apparatus, and translator’s notes. The dialogue is transmitted among Plato’s works; its authorship remains disputed.
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The Greek follows John Burnet’s Platonis Opera, volume II (Oxford, 1901), in a later Oxford impression printed by John Johnson and published by Humphrey Milford. The words were taken from the Perseus Digital Library transcription and checked against the supplied printed pages. Burnet’s lineation, verse quotations, and critical apparatus are retained. The supplied PDF preserves the complete printed layout.
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