00:00:40 Speaker 1 So Robert, the first episode of Bigelow Podcast is out there. The response, surprising to me at least, has been overwhelmingly positive. A lot of people are still digesting it. In UFO world, usually somebody's attacking you right off the bat, but this was pretty good. It was well received. The question I get from a lot of people who watched it is: Why are you doing it? Why are you doing it now? And how far do you want to go?

00:01:10 Speaker 2 So, I think the initial push was sometime back with the publishing of Jim Lukowski's, a book in twenty three Then. He did a sequel in twenty five, and another one in twenty six. And. I have all three of those books here on the table. And then later was when I When I was with the president and was doing the disclosure advisory kind of thing with him and giving him some help and ideas and so on, I realized that, that i was I was rowing upstream on this thing against the tide. And, the tide was what the Pentagon had already decided they were going to do, and what Arrow actually meant as a disguise. And.

00:02:07 Speaker 2 Probably a fraudulent effort to squash disclosure. And so, I thought, well, this isn't fair to the president if this is going on behind his back. And then if he wants honesty and disclosure, then he needs support from the government, from all these other people that are rowing the other direction. So I would like to flag specific areas in Lukowski's book here, the one that he authored in twenty three, I think it is. And then also refer to some things that Lukowski and George Knapp and Colm Kelleher authored in Skinwalkers at the Pentagon.

00:03:00 Speaker 1 You guys did a really good job by the way before we dive into that. I don't know if you've seen how much of the reaction on social media you're seeing to that episode one, but it's pretty overwhelming and very creative too. There is a guy named Joe Murja, who made a graphic of you sitting with the president in the Oval Office handing him that book. That's very clever. And I saw that too. And you are looking through the window. Yeah, I didn't see that part of it, but it's funny. I think we'll probably maybe post it there. There are a bunch of other likenesses of you wearing sunglasses, looking like an alien. Well, some of these are cool because they're fun.

00:03:37 Speaker 2 It makes people laugh and it's not to be taken seriously. They're kind of fun.

00:03:44 Speaker 1 It's funny. What people will notice is that they notice this photo right here in the background, and they'll comment on it on social media.

00:03:51 Speaker 2 There is actually an interesting story behind that photo at a gathering. That's a photo of a group of us that Lawrence Rockefeller convened, At the Rockefeller Ranch, right at the base of the Grand Teton mountain range in Jackson Hole, Wyoming. And, we were there to discuss the pros and cons of his position on disclosure. Way back then, that was a long time ago. Linda Howell was there, John Mack was there, Bruce McCubby, a number of other folks were there that are well known and his.

00:04:29 Speaker 2 The task was to convince the president, who at the time was Bill Clinton, that he needed to step up and produce the disclosure that was necessary about the phenomena and admit that it exists. I wasn't sure that he knew, that the president knew. So I had my good friend Harry Reid. In fact, I was more than just speculating, I had kind of proof because there were Hubble, which you mentioned his name yesterday, who wrote a book and in that book, it revealed something and that Clinton had said. So I said to Harry, look, I want you to take this book and show it to Bill and say, did you really say this? And in there it says President Clinton had said before I leave office.

00:05:25 Speaker 2 I want to know who really killed JFK and what is all this UFO ET stuff all about. And Harry said, "Did you really say that?" Yes, and he said, "Wouldn't you like to know? " You know well, Harry had sat in on many of our meetings for NITS, you know numerous times. And. So he already had a feel for what's going on because we had world class people in that room. We had people from agencies. We had military people. We had terrific researchers, people that worked at Los Alamos. We had every category you can think of,

00:06:02 Speaker 2 Astronauts. We had Edgar Mitchell and Jack Schmidt there. We had a military Air Force general there. We had Ian Stevenson, Bruce Greyson, Emily Cook, Jessica Utz. And we had Marty Pilch and others that were directors of Los Alamos, and Christopher Green, Al Pudoff, Jacques Vallée was there. So we had the cream of the crop of thinkers, on the subjects of the two big ones: Are we alone? And what happens to you after you die?

00:06:51 Speaker 2 So I didn't have a chance to tell Lawrence that I had found out Clinton didn't know.

00:06:58 Speaker 1 So Lawrence Rockefeller was under the impression that Clinton knew what?

00:07:01 Speaker 2 Knew nothing?

00:07:03 Speaker 1 That he did know.

00:07:04 Speaker 2 He was read in and then he was going to try to convince him to confess, to admit, to participate in the disclosure process. Get it started anyway.

00:07:18 Speaker 1 Hillary Clinton was involved in this at some point with the Rockefellers, right? With Lawrence Rockefeller. I think she was at this meeting later on.

00:07:27 Speaker 2 About Hillary being involved. Confirmation was I think where I was advocating that it happened as we were talking about on the show here the last show. I don't recall anything about Hillary doing that.

00:07:41 Speaker 1 So there you are working on the research, doing investigations, working with the NIDS team. Trying to at least let the president know, or that was a goal, is to let him know, 'Hey, this is real,' and hopefully he would do something about it. And you are doing the same thing now. Many presidents later, you are still doing the same thing.

00:07:58 Speaker 2 Can I read some things because I don't want to screw it up,; I want to get it right as to the dates and and and the twist here— thes pin— that has happened over the last couple of years— two or three years— four or five years. So in Lukowski's book— and this has been sanctioned— This has been briefed and scrubbed, As have all of his books, all three of his books from the Pentagon and the DIA. The DIA, yeah, yeah. So he writes in the introduction here : " On, June, twenty five, twenty twenty one, was a revolutionary day when the Office of the Director of National Intelligence O D I made the long awaited announcement that UFOs were real." Okay.

00:08:44 Speaker 2 June twenty five, twenty one O D N I said they're real. In releasing their report entitled Preliminary Assessment of Unidentified Aerial Phenomena, O D N I provided their sober assessments that UFOs no longer were to be ridiculed and mocked. Part of the media coverage included statements like We absolutely do believe that we're seeing things that physically exist. They confirm it. Then five months later, Deputy Secretary Kathleen Hicks announced the creation of a new organization run by the Pentagon called Airborne Object Identification and Management Synchronization Group.